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| tleichen |
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Version 5.0, in many circles, has been deemed the "lemon" version of MQ. It was only out a short number of months before IBM was avidly working on version 5.1. Back then, they (IBM) ran away from this release faster than a jack rabbit and urged their customers to do likewise. You (and your client) should do the same. 
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| Avikal Jain |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:56 am Post subject: hi |
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actually client is insisting to go on with v 5.0 because in thier distributed queueing they do not want security because it will take a lot of time to migrate which will affect production
secondly it is required on one server only since all qther servers running on the same version are doing good |
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: |
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You can run v5.3 or v6 without security. You can disable the OAM in the qm.ini file.
Your clients continue to show that they are completely insane, however, and should be paying you bonuses for putting up with them.
They appear to want to steer their race car from the hood ornament.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: hi |
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| Avikal Jain wrote: |
| actually client is insisting to go on with v 5.0 because in thier distributed queueing they do not want security because it will take a lot of time to migrate which will affect production |
They're using v5.0 in production?? 
| Avikal Jain wrote: |
secondly it is required on one server only since all qther servers running on the same version are doing good |
What version of solaris? Not a current one surely?
Welcome to the MQ Twilight Zone 
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| Avikal Jain |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:18 pm Post subject: fyi |
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i am not sure about the patches of os
but version is 5.6
as i ve already stated that as per clients contract with ibm, ibm is ready to support for those servers running on 5.0 , only thing they want is a proper installation , followed by testing and then including that in production
also presently it is test server with mq already installed or not "i dont know"
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| Nigelg |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Version 5.0, in many circles, has been deemed the "lemon" version of MQ. It was only out a short number of months before IBM was avidly working on version 5.1. |
I don't think so. When I first got involved with MQ, in1998, the current release was 5.0 CSD3. The Sydney Olympics (2000) ran the results service on 5.0 CSD6.
Sorry, a bit off-topic.
It is highly unlikely that IBM has agreed to service such an out of date release. I am sure that Sun will not service 5.6; that has been out of date for as long.
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: fyi |
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| Avikal Jain wrote: |
| as i ve already stated that as per clients contract with ibm, ibm is ready to support for those servers running on 5.0 , only thing they want is a proper installation , followed by testing and then including that in production |
Then I repeat my previous comment - if IBM are providing support, get them to provide documentation including the installation guide.
Though I agree with Nigelg - if IBM has agreed to support this, the sales guy must have been a) desperate b) drooling c) convinced it was a joke his collegues were perpatrating. I mean, IBM supporting a 10 year old version? After that, convinicing Sun to support 5.6 must have been simple.
Is this what you meant by "they are gonna kill us for that" - these people are using threats of violence to obtain support? They've beaten a contract out of IBM? Kidnapped the sales guy's blue tie and threatened to accessorise it unless he signs up?? 
Speak to IBM.
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| tleichen |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: hi |
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| Avikal Jain wrote: |
actually client is insisting to go on with v 5.0 because in thier distributed queueing they do not want security because it will take a lot of time to migrate which will affect production
secondly it is required on one server only since all qther servers running on the same version are doing good |
We also had a client that was backleveled at 5.0 a few years ago. They gave excuses like this too, but what it really boiled down to was that they were too cheap to upgrade to the latest release! 
These are not the only issues with 5.0. There were VERY REAL problems with that release, which is why IBM left it in the dust just as fast as they possibly could. Don't live in a dream world. 
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: Re: hi |
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| tleichen wrote: |
| They gave excuses like this too, but what it really boiled down to was that they were too cheap to upgrade to the latest release! |
Another tip - whoever the client is, make sure they pay in advance. If they are so cheap they won't upgrade then your invoice will be treated with suspicion. Even if not, they may decide to pay only on successful implementation and that has to be in some doubt.... 
(I declare a potential bias here. You couldn't pay me enough money to attempt the installation & configuration of v5.0 & this may be warping my views).
(Actually, you couldn't pay me enough money to work for a client who thought something like this was a good idea. The software is irrelevant).
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| kailashbawane |
| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:00 am Post subject: HI |
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Why r u asking for that?
as IBM removed the support for MQ v5.0
gud luck for ur work!
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| Avikal Jain |
| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:21 am Post subject: thanx kal |
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hi thanx all for your kind response
its done and working fine
and kailash your are little late to ask that question but please read previous post for knowing the reason
thanx again |
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: Re: thanx kal |
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| Avikal Jain wrote: |
hi thanx all for your kind response
its done and working fine
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Congratulations! 
Tell your clients when they want to join us in the 21st Century they'll be welcome.
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| Avikal Jain |
| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:55 am Post subject: hi vitor |
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hi will definitely let you know
i also dint got y they were asking for that
but if end is good every thing is good
and hey one more question i 've got for you .... a little deviated from this post
my quetion is , sysdef -i is used to gather info for kernel parameters on solaris
what equivalent is done on aix before installing mq
your reply will be appreciated
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: Re: hi vitor |
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| Avikal Jain wrote: |
| but if end is good every thing is good |
No, if the end is an out of date lash up it's not good. My previous comments about danger money still apply.
| Avikal Jain wrote: |
and hey one more question i 've got for you .... a little deviated from this post
my quetion is , sysdef -i is used to gather info for kernel parameters on solaris
what equivalent is done on aix before installing mq
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Same as it was on this thread:
http://www.mqseries.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=184761&highlight=#184761
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| Avikal Jain |
| Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: ok |
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No, if the end is an out of date lash up it's not good. My previous comments about danger money still apply
ok vitor got your point
Same as it was on this thread:
now as for aix prob, i will repeat that in qb for aix
it is written that you have to set EXTSHM=ON is this the write answer or something else you are pointing towards
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