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| techno |
 Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:57 am Post subject: SYSTEM.JMS.D.SUBSCRIBER.QUEUE |
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Chevalier
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SYSTEM.JMS.D.SUBSCRIBER.QUEUE
When does this queue gets cleared? I am seeing this growing.. Does it grow when durable subscriber register and not consume these messages?
Can this be cleared?
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi,
Isn't it the other way around. Messages are building because subscribers are not connecting and picking up there 'durable' messages.
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| techno |
| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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So, what can be done to those messages? If a subscriber app is down, curdepth increases. It may reach max-q-depth. Other subscriber suffer..
What is the solution here? Expiring subscriptions?
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:02 am Post subject: |
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You can set the expiry on the messages. However, you have to have something walking the queue to notify WMQ that the message has expired and can be thrown away.
A solution for you might be to have each subscriber have its own queue so that all of them don't fill up the single queue. |
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| bower5932 |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:07 am Post subject: |
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| One other point to make: Don't use durable subscribers unless you have to. There is no point in filling up the queue with messages for a subscriber that won't be coming back. To be honest, this is one of the biggest problems my group sees. We then discuss the difference between durable (coming back and needs to see publications published while away) and non-durable (doesn't need to see what was published while away) and most people realize that they just wanted non-durable. |
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| suri |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| techno |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Thank you. Does browse of msgs remove expired msgs?
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| clindsey |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Thank you. Does browse of msgs remove expired msgs?
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| kingsley |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:01 am Post subject: |
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On MVS, the V5.3 QueueManager automatically removes the messages if the expiry interval is set
The feature is not available on Distributed systems. I am expecting IBM to include this in next version for Distributed systems.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| kingsley wrote: |
| The feature is not available on Distributed systems. I am expecting IBM to include this in V5.4 for Distributed systems. |
You will be waiting quite a while, then. 
The next release will be numbered version 6.... 
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| ncmj |
| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I'm meeting the same problem (SYSTEM.JMS.D.SUBSCRIBER.QUEUE always growing). I do use durable subscriptions.  
This queue seems to contains undistributed messages for the subscriptions
that are not cleanly unregistered.
I found a tool (Unsubscribe.java) on
http://www.developer.ibm.com/isv/tech/sampmq.html
that is supposed to suppress orphean subscriptions on the base of informations dumped by the tool /usr/lpp/mqm/samp/bin/amqspsd.
Strangely, this tool says: NOT_REGISTERED ??? when I execute it.
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| jefflowrey |
| Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| ncmj wrote: |
| I'm meeting the same problem (SYSTEM.JMS.D.SUBSCRIBER.QUEUE always growing). I do use durable subscriptions. |
There's no good reason to use durable subscriptions in most environments.
Really!
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| Strangely, this tool says: NOT_REGISTERED ??? when I execute it. |
Be more specific. Show the full output.
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| ncmj |
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your response.
What I got with amqsdsp:
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MQSeries Message Broker Dumper
Start time: Fri Oct 21 11:23:31 2005
Broker Relations
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QMgrName:
MQM_TESTWEB01
Parent:
None
Children:
None
Streams supported
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SYSTEM.BROKER.DEFAULT.STREAM
SYSTEM.BROKER.ADMIN.STREAM
Subscribers
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StreamName: SYSTEM.BROKER.ADMIN.STREAM
Topic: MQ/MQM_TESTWEB01 /StreamSupport
BrokerCount: 0
ApplCount: 1
AnonymousCount: 0
RegistrationQMgrName: MQM_TESTWEB01
RegistrationQName: SYSTEM.BROKER.INTER.BROKER.COMMUNICATIONS
RegistrationCorrellId: 414D51590000010100000000000000000000000000000000
RegistrationUserIdentifier: mqm
RegistrationOptions: 17 : MQREGO_CORREL_ID_AS_IDENTITY MQREGO_NEW_PUBLICATIONS_ONLY
RegistrationTime: 2005092816044273
Topic: MQ/S/MQM_TESTWEB01 /Subscribers/Identities/*
BrokerCount: 0
ApplCount: 1
AnonymousCount: 1
StreamName: SYSTEM.BROKER.DEFAULT.STREAM
Topic: Client/batch/cyclic
BrokerCount: 0
ApplCount: 1
AnonymousCount: 0
RegistrationQMgrName: MQM_TESTWEB01
RegistrationQName: SYSTEM.JMS.D.SUBSCRIBER.QUEUE
RegistrationCorrellId: 414D51204D514D5F54455354574542304357D55B20002D05
RegistrationUserIdentifier: mqm
RegistrationOptions: 3145729 : MQREGO_CORREL_ID_AS_IDENTITY
RegistrationTime: 2005102109222287
Topic: MQ/S/MQM_TESTWEB01 /Subscribers/Identities/*
BrokerCount: 0
ApplCount: 1
AnonymousCount: 1
Now, when I execute Unsubscribe.java with correlId found previously
(RegistrationCorrellId: 414D51590000010100000000000000000000000000000000)
I got:
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Deregister topic: Client/batch/cyclic
Deregister stream: SYSTEM.BROKER.DEFAULT.STREAM
Deregister queue: SYSTEM.JMS.D.SUBSCRIBER.QUEUE
Deregister correlid: AMQ MQM_TESTWEB0CWÕ[ 6
Unsubscribe failed for reason NOT_REGISTERED
1 Deregistrations attempted. 0 successfully removed.
Actually I'm not sure of what I have to indicate for the "Deregister queue"
with this tool, I'm not sure that the CorrelId is the id I have to give, since the client Id I use for the durable subscriptions is something else (I use an JSESSION ID actually)...
FYI, in my case durable subscription are created in a servlet, and are not deregister in the case of the servlet engine is stopped "brutally".
Thanks for your help. |
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| ncmj |
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 1:58 am Post subject: |
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same result with the Id
414D51204D514D5F54455354574542304357D55B20002D05
(Actually, the right one for the subscription I wanted to suppress in the example above) |
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| ncmj |
| Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 2:16 am Post subject: |
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I tried the 2 possible ways with the Unsubscribe tool:
- using directly the log provided by amqspsd
- giving one specific corrrelId
Same result each time. |
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