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| Vitor |
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| sebastia wrote: |
and later found that the command "strmqm" has a flag that destroys all :
"" -c recreates the system objects with the default values ""
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Another good reason not to use SYSTEM objects as models.
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Ok - here's the new "to-do" list :
1] save configuration (objects)
2] remove qmgrs from cluster
3] stop qmgrs
4] save the configuration (ini files)
5] uninstall software
6] install software
7] create qmgrs
8] browse ini files
9] create objects
10] create the cluster
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If you're determined to still do 5, 7 and 9 (reversing what you said in a previous post) then 2 is essential if you want your cluster to work, and you'll need to (at least) reapply all the security as you'll have lost that as well.
I still struggle to see what you're attempting to achieve here, but wish you well with it.
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| sebastia |
| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:26 am Post subject: |
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My objective is quite simple
( I had to look for "struggle" in
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/struggle )
Customer is still at version 5.3 and time has come to upgrade.
Question was - shall we unistall MQ software before installing ?
The "things-to-be-done" list
doesn't mean I have to do it !
If it is automatic, the better.
[5] we do no uninstall, as we use AIX
[7] we do no create qmgrs on new version
[9] we do not create objects on new version
... but still have to verify it has been done properly !!!
It is obvious I like that kind of list(s) ... ( )
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| Vitor |
| Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| sebastia wrote: |
The "things-to-be-done" list
doesn't mean I have to do it !
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| sebastia |
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Xcuse my english :
I meant the "migration" procedure will do it auto-magically !
And I want to verify it is ok ...
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| fjb_saper |
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| sebastia wrote: |
My objective is quite simple
( I had to look for "struggle" in
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/struggle )
Customer is still at version 5.3 and time has come to upgrade.
Question was - shall we unistall MQ software before installing ?
The "things-to-be-done" list
doesn't mean I have to do it !
If it is automatic, the better.
[5] we do no uninstall, as we use AIX
[7] we do no create qmgrs on new version
[9] we do not create objects on new version
... but still have to verify it has been done properly !!!
It is obvious I like that kind of list(s) ... ()
Cheers. |
You still have to follow the upgrade procedure as detailed in the platform specific manuals. 
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| sebastia |
| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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mr Saper - are you refering to
"Chapter 1. Migrating to WebSphere MQ for AIX Version 7.0"
in the book
"WebSphere MQ for AIX - Quick Beginnings - Version 7.0"
???
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| sebastia wrote: |
mr Saper - are you refering to
"Chapter 1. Migrating to WebSphere MQ for AIX Version 7.0"
in the book
"WebSphere MQ for AIX - Quick Beginnings - Version 7.0"
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Thanks. Sebastian. |
Yes...
Well coming from 5.3 you will first have to check if there is a migration path directly from 5.3 to 7 or if you have to go through version 6. Of course in absence of a direct path you can always
- use ms03 to back up definitions,
- use amqoamd -s to back up permissions,
- delete the qmgr(s)
- remove 5.3,
- install 7
- apply fixpack
- create qmgrs and
- apply ms03 saved config...
- apply saved permissions...
Enjoy
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| Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, mr Saper. Completely clear.
Let me ask a "paralel" question :
Would you ("you" in plural) recomend moving into version 7
or to stay at version 6 ?
I dont care if there is a direct path from 5.3 to 7.
It is not important to not to have it.
But facts I see are :
pros) they say v7 is a faster than v6
pros) it is better not to have to install fix-packs
cons) I dont like 7.0.0, this is the absence of fixes
cons) we wont use Pub/Sub
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| PeterPotkay |
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Go to 7.0.0.1.
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| sebastia |
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7.0.0.1 for AIX - didn't know it
Now I start to like it.
Any explicit reason, Peter ?
Or you are one of those that prefer to be "at last fix" ?
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| fjb_saper |
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| sebastia wrote: |
7.0.0.1 for AIX - didn't know it
Now I start to like it.
Any explicit reason, Peter ?
Or you are one of those that prefer to be "at last fix" ?
Sebastian. |
I don't believe that Peter or I are the ones that like to be on the latest fix.
In some cases it just makes sense.
Recently we did an upgrade on our 6.0.2.2 MQ machines. I was leaning towards 6.0.2.3 or 6.0.2.4 but when I read about all the fixes that had been incorporated into 6.0.2.5 we decided to go to the latest.
In a nutshell you have to read about what goes into the fixpack and know whether you plan to use any of the functionality that was fixed...
If you can answer yes to the question about usage of patched functionality you are most probably better off going to the latest version.
Mind that this does not absolve you from doing your due diligence and testing in DEV / QA first.
Enjoy
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| sebastia |
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Yes, testing in Development/quality assurance is always done ...
... by the customer, not by me (jejeje).
When you say "we decided to go to the latest"
(xcuse my english)
it seems to me you are saying you went to 6.0.2.5
(the one mentioned in last point)
no to the latest 7.0.0.1
(the last one to come to the sunlight)
So, it seems you did not migrate to version 7, did you ?
Maybe because of licence(s) ?
I am in favor of being on the very last level,
but find very frequently customers dont want to do it.
Usualy, the reason is "we have other/better things to do"
and the "if it works, dont fix it" philosophy.
Sebastian. |
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| fjb_saper |
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| sebastia wrote: |
Yes, testing in Development/quality assurance is always done ...
... by the customer, not by me (jejeje).
When you say "we decided to go to the latest"
(xcuse my english)
it seems to me you are saying you went to 6.0.2.5
(the one mentioned in last point)
no to the latest 7.0.0.1
(the last one to come to the sunlight)
So, it seems you did not migrate to version 7, did you ?
Maybe because of licence(s) ?
I am in favor of being on the very last level,
but find very frequently customers dont want to do it.
Usualy, the reason is "we have other/better things to do"
and the "if it works, dont fix it" philosophy.
Sebastian. |
We did not go to V7 because we are running WMB 6.0.0.5 on these machines and have no time to upgrade WMB in our schedule this semester...
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Yes, customers always have good and real reasons
not to go to last level ..
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