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fswarbrick
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:23 pm    Post subject: General questions about FTE/MFT Reply with quote

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Are the following statements all correct? If not, please correct them.

There are three types of MFT queue managers:
    A single Coordination Queue Manager
    A single Command Queue Manager
    One or more Agent Queue Managers
An Agent may have its own specific queue manager, or it may use the coordination queue manager to hold its queues.
You can also have some agents with their own distinct queue managers, while others use the coordination queue manager.
Multiple agents could also share a single Agent queue manager.
One queue manager may function as all of the MFT queue manager types. (Coordination, Command and Agent)

Also, where does the Command QMGR fit in on the diagram on the following page? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSFKSJ_9.2.0/com.ibm.mq.pro.doc/topology.htm
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gbaddeley
PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The statements are all correct.

In other words, there are 3 different functions provided by qmgrs (agent, command, and coord). They may be on separate qmgrs, or combined in any fashion.

If you have a significant number of MFT agents, the coord qmgr usually sits on its own, so it doesn't house any agent or command queues.

The queues for each agent (5 of them, including the command queue) usually sit together on other qmgrs. For transfers to work, all the agent / command qmgrs need to have routing so that the agents can send msgs to each other.

Agents can be run as Clients, so the agent itself does not need to be running on the same host as its qmgr.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, where does the Command QMGR fit in on the diagram on the following page? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSFKSJ_9.2.0/com.ibm.mq.pro.doc/topology.htm

The top 2 boxes. These qmgrs have combined command queues and agent queues. Possibly indicated by the 2 queue symbols in each box.
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fswarbrick
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looking at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSFKSJ_9.2.0/com.ibm.mq.pro.doc/setup_comtopology.htm it looks like there is one command server per agent, rather than one command server for the entire MFT environment. Is that correct? Or is it more correct to say that each queue manager that acts as an agent queue manager is also a command queue manager?
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gbaddeley
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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fswarbrick wrote:
Looking at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSFKSJ_9.2.0/com.ibm.mq.pro.doc/setup_comtopology.htm it looks like there is one command server per agent, rather than one command server for the entire MFT environment. Is that correct?


The command queues (and agent queues) can be put anywhere, it doesn't matter, as long as the MFT agent app can put/get messages. Configuration convenience (network, physical location, existing MQ infrastructure, channels to/from other MFT agent / command qmgrs) is usually the governing factor.

ie. If the MFT agent is running on the same server as a queue manager, it can use that qmgr, and run in bindings mode. If there is no local qmgr, use a reasonably close qmgr on another server and run in client mode.

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Or is it more correct to say that each queue manager that acts as an agent queue manager is also a command queue manager?


This is normally the case, but it doesn't have to be. The main reason is convenience, to have the command queue on the same qmgr as the agent queues. All of the example topologies use this design.

There are actual implementations of 1000+ MFT agents running in client mode on 1000+ servers, and having all their queues on one central qmgr.
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fswarbrick
PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thanks, Glenn. I'm sure I'll have more questions as I play with this.
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gbaddeley
PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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fswarbrick wrote:
Thanks, Glenn. I'm sure I'll have more questions as I play with this.

I suggest that you come up with a design for MQ topology and agent names, and stick to it. Changing coord qmgr and agent / command qmgrs is non trivial, as the config for all the MFT agents needs to be rejigged, and the qmgr node name in transfer commands needs to be updated.

Also, completely separate production agents from other environments.
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