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| markcaron |
 Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2001 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2001 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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The Candle Application Services Pac is a re-packaging of Roma (aka Candle eBP). Basically, for a reduced price (i.e. $80,000), you can have Roma on 5 platforms (non-MVS) or for $100,000, one of the platforms can be MVS. (Actually, in today's market conditions, I bet you could get it for free.)
Roma is / was a good concept but Candle management spent all of their R&D dollars on Windows development then tried to sell Roma to large organizations who had mainframes. Since they were the only ones who could afford it. Candle was always way behind the eight-ball in developing MVS adapters.
This is why Candle has decided to re-brand Roma as a "toolkit" rather than a "platform".
Version 3.1 of Roma just went GA but be warned - the development staff for Roma (all platforms) in 2 cities were laid off in August. Therefore, you will probably never see another major release.
Now the current version may be perfect for you, but you should be aware of all material information before making a major purchasing decision.
Hope that helps.
later
Roger...
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2001 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi Mark,
Was there a specific area of CASP (aka eBP, aka Roma) that you had questions about? I have worked with Roma (eBP) for several years installing, configuring and developing business applications that make use of it
Since I no longer work at Candle (see above), I can give you a reasonably unbiased opinion about CASP.
later
Roger...
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| alex_zarevich |
| Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2001 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I thought I would add a few important items to this thread. I have been involved
with Roma on one of the largest Government projects in Ontario and since I've
worked on others around North America.
In the case of CASP, instead of re-branding, I like to use a term refocusing.
Yes CASP is based on a lot of the features of Roma, but the positioning focuses
primarily on
MQSeries value-add aftermarket, whereas Roma initially was positioned at the
EAI market. It is
acceptable to refocus a product. Clearly, the customers that I have worked with
see a lot of value in it. I would
recommend reading Jack Welsh's latest book, where he states that by
refocusing certain plastics product development and marketing, GE was able to
generated
millions of dollars in additional revenue.
In my opinion, the development process used by Candle is no
different than any other software vendor. I know this is true because I come
from
Transarc (acquired by IBM). At Transarc,
it is understood which OSs are of top priority. Most the development is done
on distributed platforms. The reason is easy to understand, better tools makes
the code easier to debug.
It does not take away the requirement of rigorous cross-platform compile, debug
and testing that the vendors,
including Candle, have to do in order to support target OSs.
Roma has been a great tool on all the projects that I've been involved
with. The latest version, eBP v3.1 has been the most stable and
feature rich. On the government project, the development group that was
involved in development base architecture components saved significant
effort and cost in delivering the integration architecture only because of
Roma's features. To my knowledge, Candle continues to enhance the product line.
In terms of cost of CASP, it seems to me that 80K or even 100K is
practically free. I would challenge anyone to be able to develop a product
with the same features at this cost.
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| markcaron |
| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2001 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Roger and Alex,
Thanks very much for your comments. Our evaluation of CASP is on hold a bit at the moment. Here's a general question though - In a shop (fairly large company) where messaging/MQSeries development interest/awareness seems to be lower than it could be, could installing CASP increase the awareness and interest in MQ, by making MQ development easier and faster, or would this be putting the cart before the horse?
Mark
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| RogerLacroix |
| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2001 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi Knight
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Hi,
Roma (aka eBP, aka CASP) is an abstraction layer that shields the developer from the complexities of MQSeries (MQI) programming (or MSMQ or TIBCO API programming). Therefore, Roma will not help to train those who have limited MQ knowledge / experience.
Would Roma increase people's interest in MQ messaging? Probably not.
Would Roma increase people's interest in messaging in general? Probably yes.
There will always be a learning curve to a product's API whether that is MQSeries or Roma. Having learnt both the MQ API (7 years exp.) and the Roma API (3 years exp.), I can tell you that both APIs require more than a glossary knowledge level to program. Is the Roma API simpler to program with? Not really. Roma's biggest claim to fame (easier & faster) is in the Business / Client component re-use. If your company does not already create business applications as a component of an enterprise strategy, then Roma will definitely help you bridge this gap (it will force you to it - which is a good thing).
Hope that helps.
Later
Roger…
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| oleary |
| Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2001 2:55 am Post subject: |
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We are just about to start evaluating CASP/ROMA. The main use at the moment is for File Transfer via MQ.
Is there anything we should be aware of, pitfalls etc.
Does anyone use the XML conversion and how much use is it.
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| keith_frampton |
| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2001 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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G'day, I have had significant experience with Roma/eBP include substantial usage on MVS. We didn't have any issues with MVS support and found that it significantly aided our implementation projects and reduced the risks/issues with our overall middleware. Our overall conclusion was very, very positive and substantial additional investment for over 1000 remote locations was approved after about 12 months MVS/NT experience with Romas/eBP. I would certainly recomend it for organistions with/without MVS.
I only have limited experience with CASP but what I have seen it looks like an excellent entry point for smaller organisations with/without MVS. |
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