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| MQMB&WAS |
 Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:44 am Post subject: Long running transaction rolled forward |
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Hello all,
When a qmgr rolls forward a long running transaction to free up space, does the client application see any mqrc error codes?
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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What would an app do or not do in such a situation?
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| gbaddeley |
| Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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Jedi
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AFAIK, MQ does not roll forward. It either commits or backs out (rolls back) transactions. Backed out UOW results in MQ messages that were got under syncpoint to become eligible to be got by the app again. Backed out puts result in no message being hardened to a queue.
If the app receives a MQRC_BACKED_OUT from MQGET or MQPUT or MQPUT1, the app should proceed to backout all resources in the transaction.
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| fjb_saper |
| Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going out on a limb here and expect that the original poster was talking about linear logging. So if you have a message on a queue that is long lived, it may happen that the log for that message needs to be rolled forward. This would happen behind the scene and be completely transparent to the user.
If you do not roll forward the risk is that you will exhaust your log space and the queue manager will stop. Have fun 
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| MQMB&WAS |
| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| fjb_saper wrote: |
I'm going out on a limb here and expect that the original poster was talking about linear logging. So if you have a message on a queue that is long lived, it may happen that the log for that message needs to be rolled forward. This would happen behind the scene and be completely transparent to the user.
If you do not roll forward the risk is that you will exhaust your log space and the queue manager will stop. Have fun |
Yes, linear logging.
Application reported they were facing mqtc host nit available errors and at the same time mq was logging this log forward messages. So just wondering if this log forwading would cause those mqrc host not available errors at the client. |
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| bruce2359 |
| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| MQMB&WAS wrote: |
Application reported they were facing mqtc host not available errors and at the same time mq was logging this log forward messages. So just wondering if this log forwading would cause those mqrc host not available errors at the client. |
What log forward messages? Please post the entire error message here.
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| tczielke |
| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| gbaddeley |
| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| MQMB&WAS wrote: |
Yes, linear logging.
Application reported they were facing mqtc host nit available errors and at the same time mq was logging this log forward messages. So just wondering if this log forwading would cause those mqrc host not available errors at the client. |
"host not available" is usually a network issue, or a resource shortage issue on the host. The "log forward" activity may be another symptom of this underlying issue. Can you provide details of what was in the MQ error log?
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